His bigger challenges at school are probably behavioral. My name is Kathy Carlson, and my email is kathyjcarlson@gmail.com. We have the exact same issue. By contrast, his working memory and processing speed were both average for his age. She will have to take the SATs next year if she wants to apply to colleges. Are there additional programs or services that could help my child? We are working with him on this. This happens in math too as you get better at it. Read more on executive functioning. The 65 subjects, 12 years old on the average at first test, were retested after a mean interval of six and a half years. Having a high or low IQ won't keep you out of Law school. Processing Speed Subtest Scores: Why does she sometimes not even spell her own name correctly on her papers? Is executive functioning problems a form of ADD and does medication help with improving those areas that he struggles with.. -Build your daughters visual-perceptual strategies and perceptual organization to support her problem solving skills: This site needs JavaScript to work properly. He avoids all written work, even math. It is not a stand alone service in schools here. Sometimes gifted learners have absorbed information so easily when they are little they have not learned how to breakdown and work with new information that is outside their area of expertise. My guess is he could write a book on many topics when the teacher is only requiring a couple pages. Phonological awareness 116 ). I recommend the Retrain the Brain program along with Handwriting Without Tears. To support this profile I suggest: Improve Executive Functioning Skills, Working Memory and Study Techniques, -Teach the use self-talk to organize her learning and performance strategies and to focus her attention on tasks The result is that Im now stuck with degrees in topics I do not really lke, and teach topics that do not really interest me. Thank you for any insight you can provide. Clin Neurophysiol Pract. Given his excellent verbal and perceptual reasoning skills, my guess is that he has so many ideas and possibilities running in his mind that it is difficult for him to select one to use on his assignments. Hello Dr. Mullin, I am finding your site very helpful. WM was 94 and PSI was 80. The great thing about doing the test this way was that my son, who by now had very low self esteem, could see that while he does have slightly below average writing and spelling, his reading was high average. Thought I would let you know my sons story as it fits this profile exactly. But it'll help you organize your thoughts better and do other every day language things. Writing, however, is killing both of us. He is smart and very perceptive of people, their feelings and the world but it seems like his abilities dont translate into academic performance. PSI 108 Replace timed tests with alternative assessment procedures. Picture Concepts 16 . The Executive Functioning Workbook can help build the skills needed. You can take it and answer the questions as you view him and then he can take it for himself. Its just practice. Health officials to provide them with documentations that prove your LD status and proof that LD affects your academic performance; Poor verbal comprehension often refers to a low verbal IQ. The Wechsler Adult Intelligence Scale (WAIS) intelligence quotient (IQ) tests are the primary clinical instruments used to measure adult and adolescent intelligence. -Support group for students with LD, Writing is very complex task. And then.. on written tests, quizzes and other assignments her responses and explanations defy understanding- Where is she getting those numbers she writes, they are not even in the problem she was given? Coding 37 percentile, Special and nonverbal reasoning I really want a 504 written this year to support his strengths as well as everyone to work on his self esteem and confidence when it comes to academics. 6 ProcrastinateMoar 5 yr. ago Perhaps you can help me articulate to the school about my sons learning profile so that they might give him the accommodations to help him. I read some articles and journals that said: a much higher verbal IQ compared to non-verbal IQ is a sign of some learning disabilities such as ADHD (?). the VLBW group had lower mean scores on the WASI Full scale, Verbal and Performance IQ compared to the control group . Exercises to increase your daughters understanding of part-to-whole relationships is recommended He enjoys drawing and is very precise and good at it. We are just starting that, and it is frustrating to him. Looking at a few pages on, say, volcanoes makes him cry. My son reached his motor milestones late but was an early talker. All of these very bright students were. Thanks so MUCH for any advice so I can figure out how to better teach and assess any student with this problem. He does receive speech, OT & vision therapy. Coding 15- 95% The first learning assessment test I had when I was 7, and the last one I had was when I was 27, and my learning profile and scores have remained surprisingly consistent throughout my life. If your DC has an average/high average verbal IQ but low performance IQ, have they been able to function adequately in school and beyond? This happens all the time as children learn to read. Yup. The male-to-female ratio was 2.25 : 1, and the mean age was 5.8 years; performance IQ was 94.8, verbal IQ was 83, and full-scale IQ was 87.4. This was recently done through the school. Those figures may look much lower than one might expect since this is referring to "EXTREMELY" high IQ but it is only on the internet that people have 200+ IQs. Id skip writing, but I cant skip writing. Priority registration with a professional in the disability services office, Thoroughly preparing the child in advance for field trips, modified schedules, or other changes, regardless of how minimal; Perceptual reasoning requires good working memory so building both PR and WM would be helpful. 101. verbal comp: 120 Poor verbal comprehension often refers to a low verbal IQ. His self confidence is an issue. The only discrepancy I see is in his working memory index. He has a tremendous visual memory, use it. Teach Glen how to effectively follow written directions by underlining key words, numbering steps, and crossing off tasks when he has completed them. He was checked by an eye doctor who does vision therapy. I am thus wondering whether or not he needs to do anymore tests. There is nothing in his WISC scores that would explain his difficulty in school. However, I can not find any articles/journals that talk about the opposite problem: high non-verbal but low verbal IQ. For children with neuropsychological issues such as learning disorders, Attention-Deficit/Hyperactivity Disorder, and other similar issues, difficulties with working memory and processing speed may result in lower FSIQ scores (Wechsler, 2003), making the GAI a better indicator of potential. I was held back in mathematics in Jr. High because of my slow speed, and forced to do timed multiplication tests every day, despite my insistence that I understood higher mathematical concepts. Your son is very bright and a great thinker. However, the WISC alone does not give all the information needed to identify a learning disability. These are the Verbal and Performance sections, each of which requires different forms of intellectual functioning. We began exercizes to help him. The scores of his tests were scattered as follows: WISC IV Rowan Atkinson has something like that, which is why he made a career as a silent character. eCollection 2019. It was broken up into 2 sessions. Find: Use logic puzzles to teach sequential thinking skills, cause and effect, and how to identify and provide missing information. PS -83 (coding 7 (not included), symbol search 6, cancellation 8), (Arithmetic with questions repeated and with paper for one answer 18). The Bender Gestalt tests involve copying pictures (and require physical output). For children with neuropsychological issues such as learning disorders, Attention-Deficit/Hyperactivity Disorder, and other similar issues, difficulties with working memory and processing speed may result in lower FSIQ scores (Wechsler, 2003), making the GAI a better indicator of potential. Careers. be happy you have high iq and move on, no one can diagnose your mental condition using reddit. Perceptual Reasoning Index: 135 His parents may find the following information helpful on children with weak processing speed: https://bitsofwisdomforall.com/2011/10/24/the-frustrated-learner-2/ Every school district has its own guidelines for how they assess and qualify students for services; it would be worth talking to someone in your area who knows how your school handles student needs. His regular reading I read aloud to him. After all, I seemed smart enough, was creative and intellectually ahead of my peers, so if my schoolwork was bad that must have been intentional. These post are very helpful. -When working with academic material, review the components and the whole picture He was always very reluctant to draw or write and to learn his alphabet. Total score su test long term visual memory 63 percentile processing speed: 88 An occupational therapist has additional tools that can be used to build the hand muscles needed for fluent writing. Our schools, and our society, must do more to recognize spatial reasoning, a key kind of intelligence Since he has not learned how to handle his frustrations and his slow processing ability still continues to be a problem. In order to access better support for him I subsequently requested that he be formally assessed. For people between the ages of 55 and 64. Books? There were a lot of tests because our Ed Psych said she couldnt find any significant disability. Based on what you have told me I would investigate his eye-tracking skills a bit further with a developmental optometrist or eye specialist who understand vision therapy. Modification of teaching methods (multisensory instruction, visual cues and hands on activities, highlight or underline important parts of a task, cue student in on key points of lesson, providing guided lecture notes, outlines and study guides, reduce demands on memory, teach memory skills such as mnemonics, visualization, oral rehearsal and repetitive practice, use books on tape, assistance with organization, prioritization andproblem solving) I know his brain works differently. Researchers don't all use the same test to measure intelligence, for one thing, and even when they do, IQ thresholds often vary among studies.